just another rant…
I responded to several nasty rwnj comments about women, PP, contraceptives, and abortion. No, it was not a great idea because while I was casually responding the opposition was quite serious while throwing out their version of the truth their facts and some of those facts were just wrong the comments were just stupid. I had to ask where this information was coming from the Heritage Foundation, Newt or the Koch brothers. The idea that tax dollars are paying for abortions is silly in itself but most of these conservatives just know they are and since they are paying, they expect all abortions to stop asap … oh and being pro-life too. The fact is some women, smart women choose to have the procedure, and to think that birth control, contraceptives or abortion are not a part of women’s overall health care is beyond my understanding. I want folks to know that one does not always lead to the other. Yet, pro-lifers don’t seem to let facts get in the way because they feel women who have sex and get pregnant should either have the baby or give it up for adoption. First, the conservative movement that pushes a family values platform on women is political and is big government in full effect. Second, women should not be the only ones responsible for the prevention of unwanted pregnancies; men need to step up. Third, conservatives use a broad brush on the topic of women and their health care, specifically when the topic includes reproductive services STOP. Last, the new law or change implemented by President Obama‘s Administration is to offer an option of safe and affordable access to women’s health care …this law is already at work in 28 states so it is important to take it to the next level and find out what is working
I don’t know about you but the reasoning and or rationalization used to bash attack organizations like Planned Parenthood by reciting so-called facts from the internet with a list of falsehoods. The list of questionable info includes silly things like PP misuses money, funnels money or that PP only does abortions. I can only say the conspiracy theorists are in full effect. The facts are there; find out by calling that Planned Parenthood does so much more than just abortions, but that pro-life stance on abortion seems to be the conservative focus. Yes, thankfully women who are uninsured, underinsured or who just cannot afford a mainstream doctor get breast exams at Planned Parenthood, which is the first step then if needed referred they get mammograms at an affiliated clinic with a Planned Parenthood doctor but don’t let the truth get in the way. Unfortunately, that thing about Democratic Party wanting to abort black babies … they believe it. FYI, the Democratic Party has stated that it wants to protect a woman’s right to choose and apply all the Federal laws that exist …period. I was surprised at all the misinformation thrown at the viewers by TV hosts and Pundits. I get it you do not like abortion but I suggest that they would be better off calling the source or thorn in the side of your Pro-life stance. I admit it is tough not to want to use a footnote or source as an absolute from the internet but come up short. If you listen to conservative TV and talk radio you realize most just throw out the facts when it comes to birth control, contraceptives, abortion and what they all mean to a woman’s health. I was also amused at the name-calling, telling me to stop ranting being or acting like a victim.
Women’s health care has always been a politically charged topic, and before President Obama women who have children were considered or labeled as a pre-existing condition; an offensive rationalization used by so many in the insurance business to deny health care. Now, because of President Obama that practice by the insurance industry is no longer acceptable. However, though we can regulate how insurance industries treat women better that one area of our lives … our ability to reproduce, makes conservatives rise up to engage in hypocrisy on so many levels. I get the disagreement about abortion but I do ask where is the conflict about women having breast cancer screenings at a Planned Parenthood clinic that also gives access to quality, safe and affordable health care no matter what form it comes in. Yet, an ideology, a family values platform pushed debated and voted into law by Republicans, and their conservative comrades in some states already keep trying to quietly dismantle our rights.
Today, in this 21st Century life, women still have to demand the right to make personal health care choices without political intervention. Unfortunately, some states have succeeded in pressing the reproductive services issue in a political box with laws that are so archaic you have to wonder what year it is. The cliché of, “do as we say NOT as we do” keeps coming to my mind every time I hear folks like Romney, Gingrich or Santorum speak on issues of women’s reproductive rights. Men’s health care issues unlike women’s seem to be treated different, providing enhancement drugs among other things without questions. Yet, women and in most instances women of colour are being singled out as abortion scarlet’s , abortion abusers, portrayed as something mysterious possibly evil and definitely disrespected by some extreme folks on the right who do not seem to understand that birth control , contraceptives and abortion if needed are all a part of a women’s health care.
I feel like a Freedom Fighter ….
anyway, my run in is below … and yes some issues with grammar
7:27pm –Lemzilla replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
so I’m part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy now? And you keep making it sound like I have something personal against you which I don’t because I have no idea who you are. And you keep harping on somebody taking away your right to choose, when I consistently ask you to consider that choices made before having sex are better for everybody (her, him, society) than trying to make a good choice after the fact. You refuse to admit the bad choices some women make to get pregnant are a reality.
You want every woman to get a free pass, so what if it’s a life they’re snuffing out forever. You have the right to sit at your keyboard and rant your little heart out because your mother chose to have you. If she had made a different choice, or aborted a sibling, you might feel differently. Or not at all if Mom decides, “You know what? Having a baby is hard, screw this.” Maybe you’re just feeling guilty about some of your own personal choices and just lashing out at me. Fine. Lash away. None of your ranting makes you right.
My sources are here, http://tiny.cc/phxta
and here. http://tiny.cc/zaoa9
Get a grip, lady. No one is attacking you or women in general. Holding women accountable for their choices, however, I very much insist on. Just like I do men. I make no distinction between the sexes when it comes to accountability. Because THAT would be sexist and wrong.
where did you get all this information ? from newt ? Heritage Foundation or the Koch brothers
now, you are just being offensive … play your game with someone else … Women will not go backwards or accept the spin that takes away the right to choose
6:02pm– LibertyLover replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
Margaret Sanger and the modern eugenics movement held the common belief that black people, and all “people of color” are genetically inferior and should be bread out of the human race. Adolf Hitler used her writings as partial justification for his concept of the Aryan super race and the “Final Solution” to the “Jewish Problem.”
isn’t the answer to that obvious, that doctors want to get paid? those who work in low income facilities do it because they are compelled and racial eugenics is so 20th century though sterilization happened in the South during the 60’s … not that long ago
as for MSanger …Sanger’s activism was influenced by the conditions of her youth — her mother, a catholic, had 18 pregnancies in 22 years, and died at age 50 of tuberculosis and cervical cancer. And lack of sufficient woman’s health care
I would ask you …do you know how many of the abortions were based on rape, incest complications etc. because you seem to be inferring that we black women are loose … i object to that judgment and mentally – and Margaret Sanger can go
5:26pm – Lemzilla replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
Obamacare overrides the Hyde Act. It was specifically designed to do so. And those nasty Catholics soon won’t be able to deny any woman an abortion anymore. Because their religion means nothing if a 17 year-old tramp (and don’t even front like you’ve never seen one) wants this yucky baby out of her tummy so she can get back to partying. This happens way, way more often than a rape victim getting pregnant. Feel free to Google the numbers I provided earlier. Those are called facts.
And where did I ever say or suggest you have no right to your opinion? You just seem like a raw nerve waiting for something to be insulted about. I took down your rape and incest argument, you have nothing there. I called out that saying “All women are smart” is dumb, because it really is, here look “All men are smart”, how does that sound? And all you can do is whine I have somehow attacked or impugned your right to free speech. Get over yourself. I have consistently pointed out that a woman’s choice should (should, not federally mandate) start with who she sleeps with, not what to do after she’s “unexpectedly” pregnant. That’s not telling anybody what to do.
You have yet to be honest that most abortions have nothing to do with the health of the mother but her personal choice to erase what she considers a mistake. A mistake that could have grown into who knows what, but we’ll never know. To the tune of millions. Be honest that a woman’s choice has to do as much with her ego more than any health concerns and we have common ground. Continue to play the victim and we don’t.
rich … you can say whatever you want but i have to stop saying what i want … go figure … i have nothing else to say because you are right of center we will never agree … and it’s obvious you don’t the facts get in the way – Mr. Hyde put in his amendment that is recognized and so goes the law that fed funds cannot be used to pay for abortions … i get it you dont believe it … and you never will – Telling what women can or cannot do is bull
4:43pm – Lemzilla replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
You make huge leaps of logic and are clearly emotional about the subject. I gave specific examples, never a generalization of all women, in my comments. And all women aren’t smart. That’s kind of a dumb thing to say. Because you don’t address the reality that a lot of the 99.93% of abortions were based on bad personal choices instead of any medical need. Medically exigent abortions are another low number to be hanging on to, to justify that Planned Parenthood isn’t really Birth Control After Conception. Make a good choice before sex and maybe there aren’t a million abortions every year.
And stop the persecution complex, I don’t care what goes on in your bedroom until it costs me money. You have no moral right to take my money and spend it on killing a baby you shouldn’t have made in the first place. That Roe vs Wade has made it legal to take it, doesn’t make it any more right. And vacuuming a fetus out of a womb IS a terrible way to begin parenting. It should be called “Unplanned Parenthood: Not If We Can Help It.” That would be more honest.
im sure you needed to type slow…
you said, “If it’s called “Planned Parenthood” why do they even offer the option of Not Being A Parent At All? Vacuuming a fetus out of the womb seems a terrible way to begin parenting.”
Your comments speak to how i feel. stay out my bedroom my private life my uterus … women are smart and just because you chose to feel there are 2 kinds of women’s health care …that our bodies don’t require whole health is sad – Komen could have said we caved we don’t like abortions, we don’t believe women in need, low income uninsured underinsured should have safe or affordable hc and if they choose to have abortions make them go full term and give it up for adoption? some women choose adoption but being forced to go full term let alone be an adoption factory is odd…aside from other reasons women have abortions like rape, incest complications, tubal preg … blood loss Women have the right to choose ..we aren’t going backward to the old days or back alleys but have safe&affordable access
3:28pm – Lemzilla replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
I’ll type slow…see if you can follow along. Where did I say or imply that anyone’s uterus belonged to me? Nowhere. That’s just histrionic crap on your part. Using 2008 as a sample, in 08 there were 90,479 reported rapes and 1,212,400 abortions. If EVERY ONE of those rapes had resulted in a pregnancy, that’s 0.07% of all the abortions for that year. So stop with the “rape and incest” chant, you just look silly.
Because you’re giving 99.93% of woman an easy out for their own bad decisions. Like having sex with a deadbeat who won’t support you. Or being too stupid to take care of your own birth control. Or being a teenager who thinks being a “Teen Mom” (looking at you MTV) is cool. Or any of the other myriad reasons a woman chooses an abortion over the hard thing, giving birth to and maybe raising (adoption, adoption, adoption) a child. But if you’re on the table because you’ve made crappy choices in your life, that’s not my fault and my tax dollars shouldn’t fund your personal course correction.
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so, can all the women you want to have babies give them to you if they are raped, incest have complications or know that a genetic issue is at hand? Why can’t women just have the right to privacy …and since when does any woman’s uterus belong to you … women talk to a dr, get counseling and then if needed pay for the abortions. the Hyde law takes care of legal issues … Why do you feel like a uterus belongs to you
2:41pm –LibertyLover replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
One track ranter-supporters like you don’t help either.
lying about what PP does or provides is just a bad look …
2:30pm – LibertyLover replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
What does your moronic rant have to do with the issue at hand? You are a classic example of hot-button idiocy at work.
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so, can all the women you want to have babies give them to you if they are raped, incest have complications or know that a genetic issue is at hand? Why can’t women just have the right to privacy …and since when does any woman’s uterus belong to you … women talk to a dr, get counseled an then if needed pay for the abortions. the Hyde law takes care of legal issues … Why do you feel like a uterus belongs to you
2:04pm – kentatwater replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
Ah yes. The enlightened view of the POSgressive, which advocate equality for all, except when it’s convenient to try and dismiss contrary opinions because of the wrong gonadal arrangement.
i have to say … reading comments from men is slightly annoying because they don’t know how many women in their lives have used PP or think about what women did prior ..together PP and komen had 112yrs service to women’s health women died because of the embarrassment,no funds or support from men now it’s become a witch hunt for any reason possible to stop allowing a woman the right to choose, like we are stupid … i think the alternative to providing safe and affordable health care to women … whatever form it comes in is or would be disturbing and reading that ideology trumps a woman’s health also is disturbing
1:44pm – wohlfguy replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
As I stated, PP DOES NOT PROVIDE mammograms, they refer them to another clinic, NOT A PP facility. I said nothing about breast exams. Bam, back to school little girl.
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i just called PP …they all provide breast exams which is the first step and yes do referrals to Planned Parenthood Doctors who do mammograms !!!! so, without a breast exam …early detection no one would no to have a mammogram … and without the 1st step the referral is not done… bam, you just got educated … don’t forget low income women, uninsured and under insured need these places for a chance an opportunity to stay alive -some don’t because it was too late others have no place to go .
1:24pm – kentatwater replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
Why, yes we can. “Pro-abortion progressive leftist.” See?
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can we say stupid
12:22 – wldbil replied to your comment on Crooks And Liars Repeats Lie About Live Action Investigation / Big Journalism:
LOL!
I dunno….can you say nitwit progressive hypocrite?
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Nice grammar…..Oh the glorious results of the union run state funded madrassas that now pass for ‘publick edukashun’ these days, makes us all feel real good about the future of this country…..
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can we say stupid
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