just another rant … it’s not mine though … and his last on my spot

Rogerthesurf: Let me assist you to clarify your thinking a little.

“I am one of several in my family that grew up in a great area with clean air which has deteriorated and it can be felt by those of us who lived in this area prior to the industrial build up”

Firstly, you appear to be mixing anthropogenic CO2 with pollution. These are most certainly two different issues, although people who push the “Anthropogenic CO2 Causes Global Warming Hypothesis” do conveniently mix these things together which helps their cause unless you can see through the deception.

First of all, for the record, I and others like me abhor pollution, we care for mother earth and incidently I personally used all my life savings in trying to replant a native forest here in my country.

The thing is, CO2 is not a pollutant. Like water, it is essential to life. Remove the current trace quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere and every living thing on earth will die, followed by every living thing in the sea some time later.
Too much water? Yes you can drown. The same with CO2.  However a toxic concentration of CO2 is about  100,000 ppm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

Here is some data which may help you understand more about the non-toxicity of CO2

A scientist untainted by the AGW lobby would say that a concentration of about 1,000ppmv would be beneficial to life on earth, this being the concentration that Glass House growers prefer, http://api.ning.com/files/X-APctmkiwvgEI5fT6iiGjWFvKNX*cWuzeO4qmDVbgA_/Greenhouses.CarbonDioxideInGreenhouses.pdf
Our exhaled breath is about 4500ppmv http://www.biotopics.co.uk/humans/inhaledexhaled.html
Up to 5000ppmv is acceptable for work places (American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists.).
Up to 3000ppmv for residences (Canadian exposure guideline for residential buildings)
Medical oxygen has between 10,000 ppmv and 20,000 ppmv in it.
http://www.bocsds.com/uk/sds/medical/10_carbondioxide_oxygen.pdf
http://www.bocsds.com/uk/sds/medical/10_carbondioxide_oxygen.pdf
Currently our atmosphere has about 390 ppmv of CO2 in it.
Furthermore, some scientists credit the extra CO2 in our atmosphere as the reason for our increased food production.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090209205202.htm

Also the pollution which you so rightly abhor, is unlikely to have very much CO2 in it. It will mainly consist of particulates, water vapour and other substances such as sulpur dioxide, nitrous oxides, hydrogen disulphide etc. Hopefully, for your sake, it does not carry mercury vapour or other heavy metals which are of course also possible pollutants. Also CO2 does not cause water pollution. Emission standards for motor vehicles actually increase CO2 production by burning off the CO produced by the car engine.

So I support you in your fight against pollution!

” but i won’t hate on Gore for putting out info there or his ability to make $$$ that is the American way.”

Likewise I have no problem with people who make money honestly, however if you read the links I gave you in a previous comment carefully, you will see that Gore has put money in certain investments, where , because of his contacts with current legislators, he either knows that your government is about to become a large customer, or he knows he can actually influence the legislators and their departments to actually buy from his companies.

Now I am unfamilliar with current US legislation, but in most countries including my own, Gore’s activities are known as “Inside Trading” which usually carriy large fines and potential gaol terms for such people. And rightly so!

So there is a little “information” for you. Perhaps those who you accuse of practicing “disinformation” do actually know a thing or two.

Cheers

Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

PS Perhaps you should study what communism and socialism are and decide if they are the American way before you continue supporting your current White House occupant.

ME: Roger from NewZealand
Your comments are getting creepy especially since they are now sounding personal, patronizing, and somewhat threatening what with a big effort to change my mind -which is not going to happen…
I knew exactly what i was saying when i used “industrial build up” … which, included not only plants that create pollution but more hi-rises more people more cars more commuting. I normally like new information but you seem to be sitting on that high horse and since I responded, i am at fault for providing you a platform for offensive comments. I say take your fight with AL Gore and or UCS, as they are definitely a group of Concerned Scientists. I am no Scientist nor have i tried to be one. I am interested in Climate Change and how our Government plans on dealing with it knowing if in the hands of Republicans, we will be in a much worst state. I suggest you accept what I said two comments ago, which was that I am given information in the form of emails, newsletters, and action alerts, which are meant to stir up a dialogue, and while you happen to be rude you have an opinion but your style sucks because it is so patronizing which obviously you prefer. I have seen your website and your spoof on Gore and President Obama is not acceptable to me so i could not promote your view on my blog. In addition, I did not accuse anyone of practicing “disinformation” i stated that if Gore was proven to be giving misinformation or anyone else for that matter, I would discontinue posting the information. So, again, do not skew what i wrote and suggest you take up your fight against Gore and or President Obama with someone else because the 1st Amendment is big in the United States of America.

Roger: What exactly do you find creepy, offensive and patronising then?  Could it be because I back up my statements with verifyable facts?

Cheers

Roger

http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

ME: uh no … and if you don’t know then i have nothing else to say. Again, you ought to be taking up your debate with Gore and or UCS .I didn’t dispute your information or facts it was how you deliver them.

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