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10/06/2011 Nativegrl77

Just another rant …

All we are asking is for the millionaires and billionaires to pay their fare share !!! I Support Obama/Biden 2012 I’m in that 99% and that means i believe that 1 – 2% should pay their fare share.

My response to those trying to bring back and pollute the airwaves with the BS about
President Obama being “the other” geez, we are all “other” at
some point in our lives, get real please…

Typical doubter rhetoric but i respect your opinion… i may not agree with it but i will not call you names or think less of you. I will
admit to feeling you need some re-education, rehab and or exposed to reality. I don’t know you and ok so you voted for a RWNJ, that is your unfortunate act as
you do remember what happened afterwards right. Though before the Mid-term
elections your Speaker Boehner announced far and wide that Jobs Jobs Jobs is
was will be the focus of your Party and then promptly attacked women and their
right to choose, children, food safety, clean air, seniors, gays and the whole
immigration system. I accept that you voted for RWNJ freshman with absolutely
no qualifications to hold a seat in Congress let alone vote on issues that
affect all Americans because they do not care. This is a small group of extremists who have held the middle class hostage. They have shown themselves to be willing to
drive our economy and our Democracy into the abyss and now the byproduct is rearing its ugly head in all kinds of ways even though you said we are going
the wrong direction and the solutions are the Republican Party in 2012. That statement is disturbing on so many levels. However, i did vote for Obama 2008 and will again in 2012 because Republicans/Conservatives proved themselves to be useless what with all those votes in the House of Representatives against the People they say they
represent but have yet to listen to. Republicans are governing the House with little or no effort to admit that the American People not only have buyer’s
remorse they are for taxing the rich though Cantor has stated that will not happen and btw they have no one in charge, they have no solutions only
complaints all coming from Eric Cantor. The solutions they do have are only for the top 1%, that 1% has been getting breaks for a long time, and that trickle down
theory… how is that working for us. I personally am subscribing to what works and that is the Government right now though Republican Governors have been
laying off government workers to sabotage all efforts in my opinion. If, you were able to watch the original not what is now posted online: The cnbc’s the
House of Cards you would understand why Wall Street types, capitalists like bernie madoff and others like him engaged in creative accounting. Greed! In
addition, the excesses going on were impossible to regulate or more accurately, these folks flew their corruption like a freak flag. The people at AIG and
those around them created a monster and the pay out by AIG to various Banks was enormous which having worked its way overseas
became something too big to fail … Is that the kind of Capitalism you want? Capitalism does not mean firms
should engage in cooking the books, secret transactions and or becoming bigger than their sum value or investing in schemes … and Regulation does not have to
mean “job killer” though it is being used as a scare tactic in Congress.

We the People need capitalism with a small c and more regulation … with a huge R

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10/05/2011 Nativegrl77

just another rant … it’s not mine though … and his last on my spot

Rogerthesurf: Let me assist you to clarify your thinking a little.

“I am one of several in my family that grew up in a great area with clean air which has deteriorated and it can be felt by those of us who lived in this area prior to the industrial build up”

Firstly, you appear to be mixing anthropogenic CO2 with pollution. These are most certainly two different issues, although people who push the “Anthropogenic CO2 Causes Global Warming Hypothesis” do conveniently mix these things together which helps their cause unless you can see through the deception.

First of all, for the record, I and others like me abhor pollution, we care for mother earth and incidently I personally used all my life savings in trying to replant a native forest here in my country.

The thing is, CO2 is not a pollutant. Like water, it is essential to life. Remove the current trace quantities of CO2 from the atmosphere and every living thing on earth will die, followed by every living thing in the sea some time later.
Too much water? Yes you can drown. The same with CO2. However a toxic concentration of CO2 is about 100,000 ppm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

Here is some data which may help you understand more about the non-toxicity of CO2

A scientist untainted by the AGW lobby would say that a concentration of about 1,000ppmv would be beneficial to life on earth, this being the concentration that Glass House growers prefer, http://api.ning.com/files/X-APctmkiwvgEI5fT6iiGjWFvKNX*cWuzeO4qmDVbgA_/Greenhouses.CarbonDioxideInGreenhouses.pdf
Our exhaled breath is about 4500ppmv http://www.biotopics.co.uk/humans/inhaledexhaled.html
Up to 5000ppmv is acceptable for work places (American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists.).
Up to 3000ppmv for residences (Canadian exposure guideline for residential buildings)
Medical oxygen has between 10,000 ppmv and 20,000 ppmv in it.
http://www.bocsds.com/uk/sds/medical/10_carbondioxide_oxygen.pdf
http://www.bocsds.com/uk/sds/medical/10_carbondioxide_oxygen.pdf
Currently our atmosphere has about 390 ppmv of CO2 in it.
Furthermore, some scientists credit the extra CO2 in our atmosphere as the reason for our increased food production.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090209205202.htm

Also the pollution which you so rightly abhor, is unlikely to have very much CO2 in it. It will mainly consist of particulates, water vapour and other substances such as sulpur dioxide, nitrous oxides, hydrogen disulphide etc. Hopefully, for your sake, it does not carry mercury vapour or other heavy metals which are of course also possible pollutants. Also CO2 does not cause water pollution. Emission standards for motor vehicles actually increase CO2 production by burning off the CO produced by the car engine.

So I support you in your fight against pollution!

” but i won’t hate on Gore for putting out info there or his ability to make $$$ that is the American way.”

Likewise I have no problem with people who make money honestly, however if you read the links I gave you in a previous comment carefully, you will see that Gore has put money in certain investments, where , because of his contacts with current legislators, he either knows that your government is about to become a large customer, or he knows he can actually influence the legislators and their departments to actually buy from his companies.

Now I am unfamilliar with current US legislation, but in most countries including my own, Gore’s activities are known as “Inside Trading” which usually carriy large fines and potential gaol terms for such people. And rightly so!

So there is a little “information” for you. Perhaps those who you accuse of practicing “disinformation” do actually know a thing or two.

Cheers

Roger
http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

PS Perhaps you should study what communism and socialism are and decide if they are the American way before you continue supporting your current White House occupant.

ME: Roger from NewZealand
Your comments are getting creepy especially since they are now sounding personal, patronizing, and somewhat threatening what with a big effort to change my mind -which is not going to happen…
I knew exactly what i was saying when i used “industrial build up” … which, included not only plants that create pollution but more hi-rises more people more cars more commuting. I normally like new information but you seem to be sitting on that high horse and since I responded, i am at fault for providing you a platform for offensive comments. I say take your fight with AL Gore and or UCS, as they are definitely a group of Concerned Scientists. I am no Scientist nor have i tried to be one. I am interested in Climate Change and how our Government plans on dealing with it knowing if in the hands of Republicans, we will be in a much worst state. I suggest you accept what I said two comments ago, which was that I am given information in the form of emails, newsletters, and action alerts, which are meant to stir up a dialogue, and while you happen to be rude you have an opinion but your style sucks because it is so patronizing which obviously you prefer. I have seen your website and your spoof on Gore and President Obama is not acceptable to me so i could not promote your view on my blog. In addition, I did not accuse anyone of practicing “disinformation” i stated that if Gore was proven to be giving misinformation or anyone else for that matter, I would discontinue posting the information. So, again, do not skew what i wrote and suggest you take up your fight against Gore and or President Obama with someone else because the 1st Amendment is big in the United States of America.

Roger: What exactly do you find creepy, offensive and patronising then? Could it be because I back up my statements with verifyable facts?

Cheers

Roger

http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

ME: uh no … and if you don’t know then i have nothing else to say. Again, you ought to be taking up your debate with Gore and or UCS .I didn’t dispute your information or facts it was how you deliver them.

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09/30/2011 Nativegrl77

just another rant …

Apparently, Climate change and its impact on science not to mention the latest comments from scientists all over the world has … churned up
some opinions … I like it. I want to thank everyone who even bothers to make comments at all …honestly, I had hoped to get maybe one, or two but the number of comments is great, please keep it up. So, with all that said the comment below is …

Comment:

Indeed Al Gore is not a scientist. I recommend against using him as a source of climate science, except perhaps as an intermediary to actual scientists.

Perhaps a better idea is to lend credibility to the National Academy of Sciences. Or the Royal Society (Great Britain’s national science academy, the oldest and probably most respected in the world). Or the national science academies of over 30 nations, including France, Germany, Russia, China, and a host of others. Or the American Physical Society, the American Chemical Society, the American Geophysical Union. They have all issued unequivocal statements that global warming is really happening, that it’s caused by human activity, and that it’s very dangerous.

One is also well advised to put more trust in actual working climate scientists. They too are in near-universal agreement that global warming is really happening, that it’s caused by human activity, and that it’s very dangerous.

One is ill advised to trust “Roger from New Zealand” on this issue.

My Response –

I am not using Gore as anything. Again, like i have stated to “Rodger from New Zealand, I receive newsletters and action alerts
from Gore and UCS which happen to at least provide information that hopefully makes people think and share…. they are not the only source but they are in the
game and more need to jump in or try to gain more PRsomehow. I appreciate your words of advice and I do believe my responses were adequate and spoke for themselves really. i believe that Global Warming and Global Cooling are not only realities but also environmental and manmade problems that definitely need to be addressed sooner than later.

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09/28/2011 Nativegrl77 2 Comments

just another rant …only it’s not mine – round 2

I posted an article from the Union of Concerned Scientists on 9/23 … that so controversial question? Is Global Warming Real or is it really Global Cooling …read below. I want to thank the person who responded even though laced with a whole lot of patronizing … i get it … Global Warming is science not politics … unfortunately, some in politics don’t seem to know or get science enough to make intelligent decisions and while the person commenting may not agree but Global Warming became Political in the late 60′s under the Nixon era …ugh right? anyway, just thought i would share.

Comment 9/23 -My response most certainly is my personal opinion and it is also well supported by proven fact as well as being shared by an increasing number of honest scientists.

Cheers

Roger

http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com.

9/27 ME -” i receive info from gore ….”

9/27 Comment – So you believe Al Gore is a reliable source of information with regard to the unproven “Anthropogenic CO2 causes Global Warming” hypothesis then?

Here are a few fact about good old Al that you may not have yet digested.

Believe it or not, Al Gore is not a scientist, but he is a great speaker, just like Hitler was actually. But lets take a look at Al Gore’s personal life.

Al Gore is not using his superior oratorial powers to help you and me from a failing planet, he is using them to enhance his investments. Doing rather well at it too I might say. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html

Al says that he is simply “putting his money where his mouth is”, well I don’t know about you but I would say that he is putting his mouth where his money is – especially when he actively urges Congress to adopt policies in his favour. In most parts of the world, most people who influence legislators in order to fill their pockets, go to gaol for considerable periods of time.

Now Al urges everyone to take on vows of poverty in order to save the world. This link below says it all better than I can. What about his multiple mansions etc.?
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/06/24/the-failure-of-al-gore-part-one/

So Gore is :
1) A God
2) A Guru
3) An idiot
4) A money grubbing con man
5) A fine upright guy.

Check out the links above and then see which category you would like to assign him too.

Cheers

Roger

http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

PS If I have not confined myself to reported facts, please point out the error of my ways.

9/27 My response below:

Roger Roger Roger

I did not say i believe all of what Gore or UCS say but that i receive info from them and post
it because they have information to share. I personally believe Global Warming
or you are pushing Global Cooling is definitely a reality that is both environmental
and manmade that is enough for me to digest as a matter of fact. I am one of
several in my family that grew up in a great area with clean air, which has
deteriorated, and those of us who lived in this area prior to the industrial
build up can feel it. I will say again, if you have a newsletter or action
alerts to share i would but I think we are not on the same page. I do know that
AL Gore is not a scientist silly but he has been an advocate with a big name
that has people ask questions and demand more …even though our politicians
who create and pass the laws don’t seem to
be listening …his pluses are that he was a politician and knows people
with information that should get debated … I get it you don’t like or respect
his opinion. I want Republicans to accept we have air quality issues that are
both environmental and manmade and act accordingly for the future of our kids
here in the US and that unfortunately is being filibustered on all angles …I
want cleaner air, stricter regulations , i want those that dumped their shit on
American Indian land or created nasty landfills punished because the run off
quite possibly is pooled or in our ground water; Corporations have gotten away
with secret bs for years and while your focus is on legislators and lobbyists i
really am more concerned about making the lives of people safer especially for
those who almost always have corporations dumping their waste …sometimes
secretly sometimes not so secretly in or near groundwater res and poor people
who i guess they don’t care about …it all contributes to environmental
changes. I am no expert and i never said i was, but as someone who is open to
all information on global warming that will get Congress to do something…Gore
has money to do something … the info comes from scientists who cares. I say
get involved and put the facts out there. I believe in the 1st Amendment and
some come by money in various ways that can annoy, frustrate and offend us but
i won’t hate on Gore for putting out info there or his ability to make $$$ that
is the American way. I will say if there are facts out there that prove him
wrong then i would discontinue posting info and or vote for his efforts but
that has not happened for me personally… yet. If I have learned anything
since the days when Congress believed in the fact that there is an increase, in
asthmatics …clean air gives certain States big regulation worries and even if
Gore were right, we have too many climate deniers to move toward a cleaner USA.
Again, i am not an expert so your abc thing is silly and just accept we will
have to agree to disagree. I did visit your blog and you do not like President
Obama so …that puts us at odds, but thank you for the conversation.

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09/26/2011 Nativegrl77

just another rant …only it’s not mine

I posted an article from the Union of Concerned Scientists … that so controversial question …read below. I want to thank the person who responded even though it was laced with a whole lot of patronizing … i get it … Global Warming is science not politics … unfortunately, some in politics don’t seem to know or get science enough to make intelligent decisions and while the person commenting may not agree but Global Warming became Political in the late 60’s under the Nixon era …ugh right? anyway, just thought i would share.

Do you believe global warming is good for us? …from Union of Concerned Scientists

rogerthesurf said 2 days ago:

There are many hundreds perhaps thousands of published, peer reviewed scientific papers which contradict the unproven “Anthropogenic CO2 causes Global Warming” hypothesis.

Here is a sample.

An assessment of validation experiments conducted on computer models of global climate using the general circulation model of the UK’s Hadley Centre
(Energy & Environment, Volume 10, Number 5, pp. 491-502, September 1999)
– Richard S. Courtney

An Alternative Explanation for Differential Temperature Trends at the Surface and in the Lower Troposphere (PDF)
(Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 114, November 2009)
– Philip J. Klotzbach, Roger A. Pielke Sr., Roger A. Pielke Jr., John R. Christy, Richard T. McNide

Altitude dependence of atmospheric temperature trends: Climate models versus observation (PDF)
(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 31, Issue 13, July 2004)
– David H. Douglass, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer

A test of corrections for extraneous signals in gridded surface temperature data (PDF)
(Climate Research, Volume 26, Number 2, pp. 159-173, May 2004)
– Ross McKitrick, Patrick J. Michaels

– Are temperature trends affected by economic activity? Reply to Benestad (2004) (PDF)
(Climate Research, Volume 27, Number 2, pp. 175–176, October 2004)
– Ross McKitrick, Patrick J. Michaels

A null hypothesis for CO2 (PDF)
(Energy & Environment, Volume 21, Number 4, pp. 171-200, August 2010)
– Roy Clark

A natural constraint to anthropogenic global warming
(Energy & Environment, Volume 21, Number 4, pp. 225-236, August 2010)
– William Kininmonth

A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions (PDF)
(International Journal of Climatology, Volume 28, Issue 13, pp. 1693-1701, December 2007)
– David H. Douglass, John R. Christy, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer

A Climate of Doubt about Global Warming
(Environmental Geosciences, Volume 7, Issue 4, December 2000)
– Robert C. Balling Jr.
A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies (PDF)
(Energy & Environment, Volume 18, Numbers 7-8, pp. 1049-1058, December 2007)
– Craig Loehle

An empirical evaluation of earth’s surface air temperature response to radiative forcing, including feedback, as applied to the CO2-climate problem
(Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics, Volume 34, Numbers 1-2, pp. 1-19, March, 1984)
– Sherwood B. Idso

An upper limit to global surface air temperature
(Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics, Volume 34, Number 2, pp. 141-144, June 1985)
– Sherwood B. Idso

As I said, for no good reason, these papers and many others like them are ignored by the IPCC and its followers. You may also read criticisms on the net about some of these authors, but you should also note that the criticisms are aimed at the person, not the work, and only rarely are there academic papers, that have been peer reviewed etc., published to contradict these authors, which of course is the proper scientific way to disagree in a situation like this.

Therefore as there is no “strong, credible body of evidence” as the above sample of papers show, one needs to examine more closely what the IPCC is claiming.

On one hand we have data that shows, or purports to show, that the climate is indeed warming unusually rapidly over the last 50 years or so. I say purports, as there is some
doubt about the accuracy of the data, however the climate may well be warming.

On the other hand, we have measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere that show that this has increased concentration has increased, as a portion of the atmosphere is only about 0.0213% since 1960, (dosn’t sound too much when you put it like that does it?).

Nevertheless it is true that anthropogenic CO2 has increased.

Now in order to prove that there is a connection between these two events that is proof of a causation factor, we need peer reviewed scientific publications that show this.

Alas there appears to be none. All of the IPCC conclusions are based on 1. That this rather weak correlation is actual proof, and or 2. On scientific model results, which being only hypothesis in themselves, are not proof either.

So one would expect something along the lines of the following:-

Published academic papers using at least one of the following methods to show that the “Anthropogenic CO2 causes Global Warming” is more than just a possibility.

1 Empirical proof that shows the causation factor of CO2 with respect of Global Warming.
2. Statistical proof of Anthropogenic CO2. Im sure you know that correlations are never proof.
3. Evidence for the “Anthropogenic CO2 causes Global Warming” hypothesis to be adopted over the null hypothesis?

Now I’m sure you do not need it, but just in case, here is a little reading to understand what these things are. Here is a site which describes what is needed for #3 which might help. http://www.experiment-resources.com/null-hypothesis.html

I think number three is the most important, because it means, that in order to consider the “Anthropogenic CO2 causes Global Warming” hypothesis as a better hypothesis over a null hypothesis (such as “The climate naturally changes anyway”) one has to explain how and why all the previous warmings occurred (At least three in historical times).

Now check out my blog and then see if you can find any academic papers that explain why the planet has heated up before, even though there was zero anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere.

If you or anyone else can address these short comings in the “official” science, then I would consider joining the UCS. You see, I respond to facts not political hype from interested minorities.

Cheers Roger

http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com

My response … i admit was not as serious, but his patronizing ways moved into a racial thing … ugh

I think the only thing that stood out from your lengthy comment is your nasty sign-off. I don’t even know you yet you’ve already decided to slap me verbally? You could have made a choice not to respond at all since you were feeling all nasty or ivy league like. If i could i would forward your info to UCS … their website is ucsusa.org … The article while not informative to you is one in which will at least bring about a dialogue and yes, i definitely am an interested minority …I am, quite sure you meant that in a bad way. I however will assume you were sitting on your high horse while writing such a clever response. I get a lot of articles, newsletters and membership requests from interesting sources on things that have an impact on me or my family so i post them so that others might have some information and some i happen to love and some are just shit…. both get posted if the topic is in the current News cycle. I don’t like being patronized but i get it. i receive info from gore and ucs; if you have information you want posted i will but this long response does nothing for me personally good bad or ugly because it’s just your personal opinion.

rogerthesurf said 2 days ago:

My response most certainly is my personal opinion and it is also well supported by proven fact as well as being shared by an increasing number of honest scientists.

Cheers

Roger

http://www.rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com.

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